Why continue with this pointless conversation? Neither side is willing to be persuaded, so all it will do is lead to frustration.

I actually just saw the post, never joined the discussion but i couldn't stop myself from stating my opinion on that comment

 Lotus Eater:

No.
I see Fan Xian's point so far.
To him, all human lives are equal. He wants basic fundamental rights for each citizen.

I criticize because upto now FX fails to realize i) its okay to have "ideals" but ii) he lacks "power" to establish his "ideal" world

Firstly, this is fiction. You're going a little too deep into this.

Secondly, Fan Xian just wanted to live a peaceful life, but everytime he had to see others suffering an injustice, he wanted to take revenge. Now, forget about eating chicken, is he supposed to go take revenge on the man who killed that chicken and hence made its mother sad? You understand how ridiculous that is, right?

I'm a vegetarian myself. But I do not find myself agreeing with you. Fan Xian never believed that he was the only person who could uphold justice. He just could not stand to see the people he loved suffering. 

 Period_addict:

Why continue with this pointless conversation? Neither side is willing to be persuaded, so all it will do is lead to frustration.

This is actually not frustrating. It made me laugh very hard. It's like the vegan vs non vegetarian debate, but at the wrong place. You cannot expect a fictional character to not have their minor flaws lol

Please go out and touch some grass????

 Multiverse:

We do so because there something exists in nature since the beginning and it is called “survival”.

I would kill the tiger because I would like to survive.

and law would not punish me also because, it would fall under  “ I  was trying to defend myself and which is my right“


( I am not talking anything about the drama JOL)

Pui !
What makes you think a human life is more precious than a tiger's life?

Law ? What law ? Law made by your distant human uncles to protect yourself ?

Be honest and say you want to live and don't care about the tiger's life/death.

 Lotus Eater:

Pui !
What makes you think a human life is more precious than a tiger's life?

Law ? What law ? Law made by your distant human uncles to protect yourself ?

Be honest and say you want to live and don't care about the tiger's life/death.

Who said a human's life is more precious than a tigers? it seems you do not understand what survival is , both a human and a tiger would like to survive and, in a situation, where one of them would die to the other, both of them would be willing to kill for a lot of things. in survival both are equal whoever wins 

 Lotus Eater:
Cow , sheep , goat have memories and intelligence too, although inferior to humanity.

If you don't protest eating meat, what right you have to talk about "justice" ?

These cows, goats, sheep , chicken you eat, they had families too. Yet your local butcher tied them up, put a knife in their throats, bled them dry and hanged their organs and meat. You go supermarket and buy them, make Youtube videos about how to cook meat.
But when an Emperor kills a troublesome servant, Fan Xian loses his sanity.

Joy of Life is a top level Cdrama , I love it, especially its political clashes.

I wish the author Mao Ni ( I guess) made Fan Xian into a practical young man.

Its totally OKAY for Fan Xian to have moral perspectives by his own style. But I wish he believed that without "power" he can't change sheet.
I hate the hypocirsy in FX, not FX himself.

He has never ever seen his mother, but he talks big about establishing a little bit of his mom's ideal world.

When I saw the title of the discussion I thought you had some serious insight about Fan Xian's character but when I saw this I couldn't stop laughing . ???. 

Fan Xian is a human , if you watched the drama ,he admit that several times both in season 1 & 2 . Humans are not perfect. Fan Xian is trying his best to live a happy life so the title of the drama is joy of life, if you want to see a perfect character go watch Indian tv series like Buddha , Ramayana or a Hollywood movie about Jesus


 Lotus Eater:

Why would you shoot a hungry tiger if it wants to eat you? Do you deny Budha and believe you as a human, are superior , therefore, tiger's hunger is lesser than yours ?

If all life is equal, we shouldn't stop carnivore animals when they try to eat us. 

Since you even mentioned Buddha, here's another saying of Buddha - "sabbe kuthakjana unmattaka" , it translates to -  all beings(except who attained nirvana) are hypocrites 

 Lotus Eater:
Why would you shoot a hungry tiger if it wants to eat you? Do you deny Budha and believe you as a human, are superior , therefore, tiger's hunger is lesser than yours ?

I have not watched this drama but happened to stumble on this thread.

Yes, yes I would definitely shoot a hungry tiger if it wants to eat me tf are you talking about ? 

People discussing non-sense things be like. LMAO

"I just know you guys will make fun of me."

Of course I will do you know how stupid you sound right now? I just had such a good laugh after reading this because, really, how can you say this and be so serious about it at the same time, my gosh! Are you sure you are not trolling??? 

Anyways guys, this is a good time to remind y'all to not bring your own social-political views, especially when you know that you're consuming media from another country that clearly has different beliefs (you said it yourself: "To top it all off, mc is Chinese !"). 

"Justice" is a powerful word - one of the reasons is because it can mean something SO different to all of us.  Now, I will proceed to answer the question you've posed: "If you don't protest eating meat, what right you have to talk about 'justice'?" The answer is so simple it will blow your minds: because you and FX have different views of justice, and perhaps neither of you are right! Now if you know this, then what is the whole point of having this immature rant about FX eating meat. So what now that we know you have differing views on the moral righteousness of eating meat?  It means nothing! (surprise, surprise)

Also, you suddenly have an extremely random topic shift to power: "But I wish he believed that without "power" he can't change sheet." I am almost certain that he knows this to be true above all, if you've watched the 2nd season you should know (remember the imperial exam arc???) The story goes that he initially didn't want power because he didn't have the same grand ideals as his mother. But now that he's seen the world and wants part of his mother's ideals to "come true," he knows that he'll need the power to make it happen. 

So is the "hypocrisy" in the room with us? Everything you've mentioned is either due to differing fundamental views or completely inaccurate information. I suggest you rewatch the show. 

You cannot compare the death of a man to the death of a chicken. In the natural world, animals that are stronger, faster, and smarter dominate and kill and eat other animals to survive. We are no different; we need protein, and the easiest and most accessible way to get it is from animals. You wouldn't deny a lion his gazelle kill, so why would you deny a human their beef or pork? Essential vitamins to human life like B12, which helps form red blood cells and prevent iron deficiency, are found ONLY IN MEAT. On this earth, artificial supplements aren't available to everyone. Meat is a far more accessible and natural way of getting these vital nutrients. 

Furthermore: Human intelligence is FAR superior to animals, as you admitted yourself. Humans are capable of logic and reason, and do not act purely on instinct. This is why it's so much more devastating to Fan Xian that the Emperor deliberately planned and calculated the murder. Animals are not capable of that kind of malicious intent, cruelty, and premeditation. Only humans are. That is, perhaps, why he felt so strongly about it. If you saw a fish swallow another fish, would you feel heartbroken? No. It's just the circle of life, just instinct. It is incomparable to a planned and deliberate killing by someone who is cold and calculated. 

Lastly, there are over 26.5 BILLION chickens in the world. They are going to keep reproducing and their population will continue grow exponentially no matter how many chicken stir-frys I eat for dinner.

Dang, I was avoiding this topic to avoid spoilers, and the first thing I did after finishing 36 episodes was check it out—and now I can't stop laughing. I totally agree, but please, stop killing plants. I love them!

@new_year I agree with you. Love your way of thinking.