I agree with banni. みんなの日本語 is a good book if you want something that's all in japanese. When i first started Japanese, i tried reading some children's stories online and it was actually harder than reading books geared to late elementary/middle school age people. Like Lady said, the vocab is key. When children begin reading, they already have 3-5 years of spoken language and cultural immersion. Additionally, there are ways in which language is communicated to children because of other developmental factors (like emotional maturity, socialization, etc.) that wouldn't apply to an adult. This extends to not only the method by which the language is taught, but also grammar and word choice deemed appropriate for children.
And the absence of kanji makes it difficult to know where a word stops and another one begins. Unless you are familiar with grammar and sentence structure, it may be hard for you to even pick out what word you should look up in the dictionary. Also, without any kanji, you can't really guess at the meaning if you don't already know the word, and you may not be able to pick the right word when you look it up in the dictionary because you won't know which kanji they are using (you can sometimes guess using context, but sometimes that can be hard, even with the most basic common words like 亡くなる vs. 無くなる). there may be times when you think you know the meaning, but it's really just a word with the same reading. And you won't get exposure to words that have the same readings but different kanji and nuanced meanings.
All that said, I say try it, hehe. Just go to the library and flip through a book. It doesn't hurt to explore and try new things. each person's learning style is different.
I personally would second (or third? or fourth?) the suggestion to go with a good JSL (Japanese as a Second Language) text rather than a text meant for Japanese kids. But avoid romaji like the plague. It is useful for learning hiragana and katakana, but once you have memorized them (or basically learned them) romaji has zero usefulness, and your reading will become smoother much faster if you read in Japanese. みんなの日本語 is basically "the" Japanese textbook these days. It came out after I left high school, and wasn't used in my uni yet, so I've never used it or looked at it, but I've certainly heard of it, so it would be a pretty safe option. The advantage of textbooks over the internet is that they put a lot of thought and research into textbooks, so I think personally that they tend to be a little more systematic in their approach and they have put a lot of thought into what vocabulary to introduce when, etc. But if you are planning to self-study you should take a good look inside any textbook or reference book you choose because some are really geared to being used in a classroom setting, and may include very minimal explanation (with that gap expected to be filled by a teacher... again I haven't actually looked at Minna no Nihongo, so I can't speak for it). Using a textbook with internet supplements for things that need more explanation is also good.
The problem with texts geared towards Japanese kids is that they already know the grammar pretty much perfectly, and they have the basic vocabulary which they just need to figure out how to read. There will be absolutely no useful explanation, so it will take a while for you to even get to that level. (Which is not to be discouraging, as an adult learner you will find that you learn a lot of "big words" that an elementary student doesn't know, but still don't know a lot that they do. And that's okay because you are usually having adult conversations. You just learn in a completely different way.)
My one suggestion is music, and specifically music programs (Music Station, HeyX3, CDTV, anything with people singing). The great thing about music shows in Japan is that they always have the lyrics on the screen. This is excellent reading practice (and helps you at karaoke). Music is good because you can learn the words with the music (even if you have no idea what they mean) and follow along on the screen. Songs also tend to have a relatively finite vocabulary, so you see the same words over and over again. If there is a song you really like, go through and look up what all of the words mean. Or when you start to recognize words that occur frequently make sure you look them up. Constant exposure, through multiple inputs (sight and sound) with a little added effort on the side does wonders.
And finally, if you haven't already, look into local volunteer groups that give Japanese lessons. I don't know about Kyushu, but in my area there are several groups that offer one on one lessons for about 200-300 yen a class. The quality of the teachers can vary as most are not professionals, but if you get lucky it can be really helpful to have someone who can explain things to you. Making Japanese friends is great, but unless you have some sort of language exchange or something, you probably won't want to spend your time together talking about Japanese grammar...
There may be something good on this website... http://u-biq.org/nihongo_fukuoka.html
The problem with texts geared towards Japanese kids is that they already know the grammar pretty much perfectly, and they have the basic vocabulary which they just need to figure out how to read. There will be absolutely no useful explanation, so it will take a while for you to even get to that level. (Which is not to be discouraging, as an adult learner you will find that you learn a lot of "big words" that an elementary student doesn't know, but still don't know a lot that they do. And that's okay because you are usually having adult conversations. You just learn in a completely different way.)
My one suggestion is music, and specifically music programs (Music Station, HeyX3, CDTV, anything with people singing). The great thing about music shows in Japan is that they always have the lyrics on the screen. This is excellent reading practice (and helps you at karaoke). Music is good because you can learn the words with the music (even if you have no idea what they mean) and follow along on the screen. Songs also tend to have a relatively finite vocabulary, so you see the same words over and over again. If there is a song you really like, go through and look up what all of the words mean. Or when you start to recognize words that occur frequently make sure you look them up. Constant exposure, through multiple inputs (sight and sound) with a little added effort on the side does wonders.
And finally, if you haven't already, look into local volunteer groups that give Japanese lessons. I don't know about Kyushu, but in my area there are several groups that offer one on one lessons for about 200-300 yen a class. The quality of the teachers can vary as most are not professionals, but if you get lucky it can be really helpful to have someone who can explain things to you. Making Japanese friends is great, but unless you have some sort of language exchange or something, you probably won't want to spend your time together talking about Japanese grammar...
There may be something good on this website... http://u-biq.org/nihongo_fukuoka.html
Oh, and most of all make the most of your time in Japan. I know soooo many people who came here with the best of intentions, but even after 5, 10, or 15 years speak pretty bad Japanese. People say if you live in a country you can pick up a language, but Japanese is unfortunately not that easy for a lot of people, and if you speak English you can usually get by without Japanese (or minimal Japanese). It may certainly be faster if you are in Japan, but it still requires a significant amount of effort. Especially if you are working here, life can get in the way of study, and more especially if you are teaching English and surrounded by English speakers. Don't let that happen!! Set a goal (the JLPT is in December or next summer) and work toward accomplishing it. Then set a new goal!! Good luck, and report back about what methods are working for you :)
how's everyone's studying going? I've been slacking off again T____T
I did a little today. tofugu posted an adverb cheatsheet on facebook so I made some notes and then went through their counters cheatsheet that I'd bookmarked a while back and didn't get around to reading til now haha. oy counters are annoying =_=;
what did you guys use after finished "皆の日本語 II"?
I used 「中級から学ぶ日本語」but when i learned from Minna no Nihongo, I didn't learn kanji,
and 「中級から学ぶ日本語」has too many kanji that i only focused on it, but not for the lesson itself.. T_T
I finished that book, but feel like I haven't learned a lot..so I want to re-learn again using different book..
any suggestion? ^^
or should I only learn kanji for now? (but I'm lazy to learn it..only learn while I chat with some friends)
it's been over a month since i last visited mdl. i've kinda settled in nicely and i'm getting used to teaching english. i never did get the elementary school text books. but teaching english has actually helped with my learning japanese. i teach jr. high which has 3 grades. the 1st graders have been learning bits of english since elementary school but they aren't taught to write romaji until 1st grade jr. high=7th grade. they also translate passages in the text bks from english to japanese. what i've been doing is the same work as my 1st graders but in reverse. i'm learning the japanese. so i've been translating alot of basic english to basic japanese. and i have to be one lesson ahead of my classes, so that i can do the translations right along with them in class and make corrections when needed. my japanese teachers are always telling the kids that i've done the work in the text already and i should not get more than them. and the kids get a kick of seeing my hiragana and katakana. my 2nd and 3rd graders have been testing my vocab outside of class. so it's kinda like cross vocab checking
eg. students: "onaji?"
me: "same"
students will then check the dictionary to make sure i'm right. then i get to ask them an english word and check the dictionary for the meaning. it's really helped me and i've learned verb conjugation finally. still having issues with it but the grammar is starting to sink in so i'm stumbling slowly into sentence construction.
BOUTUX!
glad to get an update. sounds like you're having a good time :) other than class-life are you getting used to life there in general? shopping, transportation, food, stuff like that? (i should check if you posted about that stuff elsewhere before hijacking this thread i suppose lol)
really cool that you're able to learn along with the students, I can imagine that being really helpful
for sentence structure and grammar junk I still recommend Tae Kim's guide. the more basics you know the more it will make sense to you
I'm studying Japanese and Chinese. I've only been studying Chinese for four months but this is my third year studying Japanese. In fact, the 2nd of December I did the language proficency test NOKEN 5 (the easiest) and I don't know yet if I have passed, but I hope next year I'll be able to take the NOKEN 4.
It is true that it is a very different language (at least in my case, I speak Spanish) but I think that if you really like it and want to learn it you won't have any problem. I really enjoy studying it and sicnce I started three years ago I've made a lot of friends and had so much fun. Grammar is quite simple, in my opinion, the "worst" about Japanese are kanji. There are a lot (I study them singing songs with the lyrics in japanese, like karaoke haha) God bless hiragana and katakana!
I think no one has mentioned this dictionary, I find quite useful and easy to work with it (you can also look for words by the radicals of the kanji) and it's free:
http://jisho.org/
It is true that it is a very different language (at least in my case, I speak Spanish) but I think that if you really like it and want to learn it you won't have any problem. I really enjoy studying it and sicnce I started three years ago I've made a lot of friends and had so much fun. Grammar is quite simple, in my opinion, the "worst" about Japanese are kanji. There are a lot (I study them singing songs with the lyrics in japanese, like karaoke haha) God bless hiragana and katakana!
I think no one has mentioned this dictionary, I find quite useful and easy to work with it (you can also look for words by the radicals of the kanji) and it's free:
http://jisho.org/
I'm studying Japanese at college and I'm aiming to do the JLPT N5 next december. My teacher is Japanese so we have been studying literature and history while learning the language. And since my native language its portuguese it's very easy to speak because the sounds are almost the same.
I'm also starting to learn Korean.
http://www.youtube.com/user/jp10IamMeNotU
In here Kouhei gives lessons and it can help people that are learning Japanese alone
In here Kouhei gives lessons and it can help people that are learning Japanese alone
I know... I haven't posted in here in a while
but those of you on facebook should check out this class. I've been going for a while now, it's a lot of fun and totally free. we meet up every thursday at 9pm (est) and translate a jpop/jrock song, learn to sing it and then do karaoke ^_^ if you're not into karaoke it's still a great class and fun to hang out and chat during the karaoke portion.
just join the fb group and you'll get an invite each week
https://www.facebook.com/groups/japanesethroughanime/
if you don't use facebook you can still come to class. the link for this week's is http://bit.ly/japaneseclass512
you just sign in as a guest with whatever user name you want
but those of you on facebook should check out this class. I've been going for a while now, it's a lot of fun and totally free. we meet up every thursday at 9pm (est) and translate a jpop/jrock song, learn to sing it and then do karaoke ^_^ if you're not into karaoke it's still a great class and fun to hang out and chat during the karaoke portion.
just join the fb group and you'll get an invite each week
https://www.facebook.com/groups/japanesethroughanime/
if you don't use facebook you can still come to class. the link for this week's is http://bit.ly/japaneseclass512
you just sign in as a guest with whatever user name you want
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